Monday, November 22, 2004

50 shouted No? Who are they? Was there a majority?

Updates below on who voted for the DeLay Rule, and who stood tall against it.

Interesting little story at on the DeLay Rule. Apparently the debate went on for four hours, and it was heated. One of the most passionate against was conservative Arizonan J.D. Hayworth. And sources say more than just a handful voted against:

As many as 50 G.O.P. Representatives shouted, "No!" when the voice vote over the rule change was held, sources in the room told TIME.

This raises the obvious question: Given all the absences (see below), was there really a majority?


  • Looks like Delay escaped Justice today:

    The jury won't indict him.

    However, if you read the article, it clearly states that

    1. they knew he had some involvement in the group

    2. that they believed he did something improper but could not find enough proof (thank god for paper shredders & loyal family members, huh, Delay?

    3. that the DA wasn't going after him b/c of politics (12 Dems prosecuted vs 5 Repubs)...

    what do you guys think about putting up billboards around houston saying effectively shame on yait would (a) keep the story alive, (b) let people know that there was illegal actions but that delay hid all the evidence

    and (c) most importantly, not let Delay close this chapter in his terms -- we need to close it on our terms!keep it at least grey, something that we can raise next time around or just to keep his power weak

    By Blogger krazypuppy, at 6:37 PM  

  • Great job guys,
    FYI, I wrote it to the San Diego Union Tribune yesterday, surprisingly the editor supported all republicans in the election.

    The recent closed door vote by House Republicans to abandon a rule which would force Congress-people indictment to step down from their post was one of the most shameless and hypocritical things I have ever seen in our government. The Republican caucus changed the laws, not because they were unfair, but because one of their own was caught by it. Many papers around the country have called the local congressmen and women on the issue and demanded transparency in our government, such as Arizona's J.D. Hayworth who wrote a letter to the editor denouncing the rules change. or Iowa's Rep. Jim Leach who is in what is being dubbed "Shays Handful", standing by Rep. Shays in condemning this blatant misuses of power. I would like to know, in the interest of full disclosure, how Rep. Duncan Hunter and Rep. Duke Cunningham voted on the issue. What could possible be their reasoning and why did it need to be secret?
    Chuck Scholl
    Pacific Beach

    By Blogger Chuck, at 11:30 PM  

  • Who is this "official" cited in the CBS article and what is their standing? For all I know it's some secretary in the office of some Republican elected official in Travis County. According to the CBS article:

    "For a penal code offense [such as money laundering] we would have to find something done in Travis County, Texas, to be able to indict," the officials said. "And [DeLay] wasn’t here very often."

    IANAL, but I'm not sure if this statement is accurate. According to other sources "businesses indicted were Sears, Roebuck and Co. of Illinois; Bacardi USA Inc. of Miami, a subsidiary of the Bermuda-based liquor producer; Cracker Barrel Old Country Store, a subsidiary of CBRL Group Inc. in Lebanon, Tenn., that operates restaurants and retail operations in 41 states; Westar Energy Inc., an electric utility company in Topeka, Kan.; Diversified Collection Services Inc., a debt collection company in San Leandro, Calif.; Williams Companies Inc., a natural gas company in Tulsa; the Alliance for Quality Nursing Home Care Corp., an umbrella organization of some of the nation's largest nursing home operators; and Questerra Corp. of Charlottesville, a subsidiary of MeadWestvaco Corp." ( So, all of these businesses conducted the illegal fund raising inside of Travis County? This must be the case according to the statement of this “official” in Travis County. Otherwise, they would not have been indicted by the grand jury. This sounds awfully silly to me.

    Note that it’s been widely reported that Earle is responsible for these types of cases throughout Texas. If he only has the authority to prosecute crimes committed in Travis County, I don’t think he’d win many cases.

    Personally, I’m going to wait on the grand jury’s decision on whether an indictment will be handed down or not. Remember, it’s up to the grand jury and NOT Earle to prosecute.

    By Blogger Christopher Price, at 10:29 AM  

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    By Blogger Christopher Price, at 12:20 PM  

  • On a side note, Off the Kuff reports that Tom DeLay is not off the hook (

    By Blogger Christopher Price, at 12:21 PM  

  • No, Earle has jurisdiction in Travis County for these cases because that's where the Legislature meets. It is additional powers that no other DA has in Texas, I believe. Set up that way on purpose.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:25 PM  

  • Please let me clarify and let me know if I am wrong. In addition to functioning as the DA for Travis County, Earle also heads up the Public Integrity Unit. This gives him the authority to prosecute public officials throughout the state of Texas. Correct?

    If that is the case, doesn't he have the authority to prosecute DeLay or am I mistaken? This, of course, assumes the grand jury indicts.

    By Blogger Christopher Price, at 10:16 PM  

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