Friday, November 19, 2004

Vote Reporting Thread

See below for update.

Still look at the lists below for updates, but use this thread for posts with confirmations about who stood where, or refuses to stand anywhere, or wants to tell everybody in writing because they are afraid to tell you now.

Suggested (helpful) format:

Member of Congress -- State -- Category (see categories below)

If after that you want to say more, fine, but help me help you get the information out as clear as possible. Thanks! Keep up the pressure. Only a few more hours under Capitol Hill offices close. Keep calling district offices, though.


  • I just called the office of Rep. Randy Forbes (R., 4th district, VA), and was told that information about his vote on the change in regulations to protect DeLay couldn't be given out, since it was a "closed vote". What an outrage! I told the young lady who answered that it many years of calling my Senators and Representatives, this is the FIRST time I've ever been refused information about how the man PAID TO REPRESENT ME voted.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:41 PM  

  • Joe Knollenberg, Michigan

    Supposedly a "letter writer" but I went through three people unwilling to answer. The fourth however, weakly admitted that he did support DeLay. She quickly tried to give me an "explanation" for the vote, but I said I didn't need any explanation for an unethical stance.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:43 PM  

  • I live in Scott McInnis' Colorado district.

    A man named Karl (Carl?) at his office told me that it was a secret vote and so he does not know how the Congressman voted.

    "Secret vote"? I did not realize we had become the Soviet Union.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:53 PM  

  • Mark Darling, Michigan 7th district.

    Nick Smith's office claims that outgoing members are ineligible to vote on rules. The office of his successor, John Schwarz, has indicated that members who have not been sworn in yet may not vote. The staff member was uncertain, though, and may call me back with a more definitive answer.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:54 PM  

  • in washington state you have george nethercutt listed as a senator, he is not. he lost to incumbent patty murray. i am baffled as to why you have him listed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:56 PM  

  • I called Congressman Lee Terry's Washington office a few minutes ago. The person who answered transferred me to a legislative aid. He indicated that Congressman Terry was not in favor of the rule, but he did not vote. I asked why not and the aid said that they had a majority. I said that I understood that there were 30 or so representatives who voted against it and why didn't Congressman Terry vote against it if he was not in favor of it. The aid said that it was a "closed door voice vote" and that there was no record kept of it. He practically cut me off and hung up as I said that Congressman Terry did not represent my views as an individual from his district. Usually when I call a Congressional or Senate office, they take information and often send a followup letter ..... not this time!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:58 PM  

  • I just called Congresswoman Mary Bono's office. She was not present due to other "pressing business". when I asked what business and/or where she was. the woman who answered the phone refused to answer. She also said that since there was a majority voting for the Delay Rule Ms. bono's vote made no difference. She further said the objective was to discourage "partisan" prosecutors from filing frivolous indictments!!! When I pointed out the bipartisan ethics committee's censure (several times) of Delay recently she offered to refer me to Ms. Bono's legislative assistant. What a crock!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:09 PM  

  • Greg Walden, Oregon

    I called Congressman Walden's office twice and was told by two different staff people that they couldn't answer my question because they weren't the staff person that handled that issue area and that the person who did was busy. They did take my name and address but couldn't guarantee that I would get a response to my question.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:10 PM  

  • I telephoned Congressman Jim Leach of Iowa's office a few minutes ago. The vote was a "voice vote and there was no record of the vote". I said that I realized that but wished to know how he voted. Mr Leach "didn't discuss his vote with any of his staff members so she didn't know how he had voted". I requested that she just ask him how he voted. "He's not here, he's in a meeting." I asked if I called back tomorrow if they would have an answer for me. "Why don't I take your address and we'll have him send you a letter".

    By Blogger diane of iowa, at 3:11 PM  

  • Ferguson, NJ, voted in favor
    (confirmed with his office)
    although he admitted the timing of the vote could have been better, he supports the 'essence' of the change.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:11 PM  

  • Lance Collins, Sugar Land, TX Tom Delay Huh?/Took A Walk

    Well, as a constituent of Tom Delay (no wait, I'm a Democrat so he couldn't care less about me) I ventured a call to ol' Tom's office. The Delay-loving Kool-Aid drinking zombie who answered the phone tried to tell me there was no vote. He claimed that it was an internal decision within the GOP caucus, and that Delay didn't have anything to do with the process. So I guess, there was no vote, and even if there was Ol' Tom was in the men's room adjusting his smirk.

    By Blogger Lance Collins, at 3:15 PM  

  • Lamar Smith (R-TX21) voted for the change, according to his Austin office. He is allegedly providing a response to my complaints about this vote. Living here in Travis County, I have followed this developing situation with great interest for some time now. Everyone out there owes Ronnie Earle, our fine Travis County DA a big thank you!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:15 PM  

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    By Blogger Chip Brown, at 3:27 PM  

  • I just called the office of Rep. Henry Brown, 6th District, South Carolina, and the lady who answered the phone said he voted FOR the DeLay rule. Put him in the I-am-a-follower-not-a-leader catagory. It is exactly the kind of go-along-to-get-along behavior I expected of him.

    By Blogger Chip Brown, at 3:32 PM  

  • I just called the office of Rep. Henry Brown, 6th District, South Carolina, and the lady who answered the phone said he voted FOR the DeLay rule. Put him in the I-am-a-follower-not-a-leader catagory. It is exactly the kind of go-along-to-get-along behavior I expected of him.

    By Blogger Chip Brown, at 3:32 PM  

  • Darrell Issa(R) - CA 49th - Loud and Proud

    staff member I talked to in Washington office said the rule was wrong because it allowed any prosecutor in the country to affect the leadership of congress, implying that Delay's rumored indictment is politically motivated. If Delay is indicted, the republicans will vote on whether he should remain as leader. When I asked how Rep. Issa will likely vote if Delay is indicted, he said it would depend on the indictment.

    - CA 49th voter

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:40 PM  

  • Someone named Matt answered Rep Dave Weldon's office phone (Fla. 15th) and said he did not know how Dr. Weldon voted. He said Dr. Weldon will send me a letter discussing this issue. Since my new address as of tomorrow (11/20/04) will be out of Weldon's district, I'm not sure I'll receive a letter. I'll call Feeney's office also, since I'm moving into his district.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:41 PM  

  • Greenwood/Fitzpatrick - PA8

    - district office said Greenwood couldn't vote on it b/c he's not on the ethics committee - when I told them it was a Repub. caucus vote they directed me to DC office - DC office said he couldn't vote b/c he's retiring and members of 109th voted - they gave me the number for the incoming member, Mike Fitzpatrick, but there was no human answering, just voice mail; left a message.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:42 PM  

  • Called Richard Pombo, CA. Aide told me he was in a meeting during the vote.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:52 PM  

  • im Saxton NJ 3rd now a letter writer

    At least that's what his DC office says today. Yesterday they didn't know, said it was a private vote and said they'd get back to me later. The girl who answered today took my name and address and said they're now telling anyone who calls that he'll be answering by letter soon. I asked why she couldn't just tell me whether he voted yes or no and she said they were discussing it and they really didn't know because he hasn't been in the DC office for 2 days now to ask. I asked where we might find him and she said he's back here in the district at a funeral.

    By Blogger markg8, at 4:09 PM  

  • Well, it's official. You can add Congressman John Boozman to the scumbags list. I just got off the phone with Carrie Thum of Boozman's staff, and after some considerable spin, she admitted that Boozman did vote for the leadership rule change. Apparently, impunity for Tom Delay is more important than ethics to Congressman Boozman. Of course these are the same folks who can kill thousands of Iraqis without compunction and provide cover to the Israeli government as it terrorizes and murders Palestinian school girls. They also seem unconcerned by the 1078 American soldiers who have died SINCE Bush declared "mission accomplished". Who would expect them to take the high road at this late date?


    Steven Nichols
    Fayetteville, AR

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:31 PM  

  • I just called Duncan Hunter's local office. The message is that it was a voice vote. The person I talked with said that the local office has a call in to Hunter but does not know how he voted.

    Daylia Vaughan
    San Diego, 92131
    Nov 19, 2:30 PM Pacific

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:35 PM  

  • In Missouri's 7th District, Roy Blunt's Springfield Office says that the Delay Rule Change was a secret ballot, but that they believe Blunt was in favor.
    CW Christian
    Carthage, MO

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:54 PM  

  • Steve Pearce New Mexico CD2 Letter Writer.

    See my email that I sent to you this morning


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:18 PM  

  • Duncan Hunter - DA 52nd - Refusers

    This is an update from my previous post which reflected the response being handed out by Hunter's local office. After posting I decided to spring for the long distance call & called Hunter's Washington office. The person there told me that it was a voice vote & Hunter is not saying -- at least at this time. He then said that the Democrats do not have a requirement that their leadership would have to step down either.

    This was troubling so I called Pelosi's office. I did not get a clear answer so I wrote the following:

    Dear Representative Pelosi,

    The Public Campaign Action Fund is starting an action for the grassroots to call their Republican Congressmen/women to see how they voted on the "Delay Rule". I called Duncan Hunter's office and was told that it was a voice vote and basically that Duncan Hunter was not going to divulge. The person then told me that the Democrats do not have a rule that a Tom Delay type indictment would require a member to step down from a leadership position either.

    Is that true? I called your office and did not get a clear answer. What are corresponding rules for Democrats?

    If neither party has such a requirement then it is hypocritical of liberals to hammer the Republicans. We should be hammering both the Republicans and the Democrats equally.

    I look forward to your reply.

    Daylia Vaughan
    San Diego

    CC: Duncan Hunter
    David Donnelly, Public Campaign Action Fund and Campaign Money Watch

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:25 PM  

  • Mark Kennedy - Minnesota (6) - Huh?

    By Blogger Patrick, at 6:36 PM  

  • I received this back from Henry Hyde's office:

    "I did not attend the November 17 Republican Conference meeting
    you are referring to, and, therefore, did not participate in the
    discussion or vote on the new rule. In my role as chairman of the International Relations Committee, I was attending meetings in preparation for an important hearing which I held later that day examining corruption in the United Nations Oil-for-Food Program."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:14 PM  

  • Chris Chocola - IN - Letter writer

    Per a call to his DC office this morning.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:16 PM  

  • Petri - WI - Loud & Proud
    The woman answered with a very firm YES before I even finished my question. She helpfully explained that it was to protect members from inappropriate pressure from unethical prosecutors. I asked why they were backtracking on their stance of only 15 years, and she quickly added that the Democrats do not have such a rule at all. I asked how Petri voted when the rule was put in place, she was startled at the question. "You are asking how he voted on something 15 years ago?" Yes. Has he changed his mind? If so, why? "I don't know. Give me your address and I'll send an answer."

    I think we should ask all of the old timers if they supported the creation of the rule in the first place.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:10 PM  

  • One of the interviews I heard on this issue had a congressman (if memory serves) saying that this was the correct thing to do as an indictment was not a verdict and aren't we all innocent until proven guilty? This, during a period of time where it is increasingly likely that your car will be siezed by the government if you are arrested for solicitation, drug purchasing, etc. So I guess for you and me, we're not innocent. Ever. But for them, benefit of the doubt. Typical.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:56 PM  

  • I called Mark Foley's office on Saturday morning at about 9:25 am and spoke to a person who claimed to be operations director and claimed that he did not know how Rep Foley voted on the matter. This was after he told me that if I left my name and address I would be written to. In a matter this important, how could an operations director not know how Foley voted?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:35 AM  

  • MN Repug responses

    Calls made Friday mid-afternoon --

    Gil Gutknecht, MN-1 ($5,778 from DeLay PAC): I spoke with "Eric", who said "Gutknecht was not there but would have voted No".

    Mark Kennedy, MN-6 ($29,500 from DeLay PAC): I spoke with "Kate", who said "There wasn't a vote". I asked, "What did Chris Shays vote against?" Kate wouldn't be budged from her talking point, I said, "Thanks for your time."

    John Kline, MN-2 ($30,000 from DeLay PAC): I spoke with "Kari", who said "It was a private vote and no-one knows how the congressman voted". I asked if anyone had asked him how he voted, she said no. (Kline has apparently changed his stance, yesterday some callers were told he voted Yes.)

    Jim Ramstad, MN-3 ($20 from DeLay PAC): I spoke with "Jenna", who said "It was an unrecorded secret vote". I asked if anyone in the office had asked the congressman how he voted, she said no.

    (Some of these guys have since changed their "official" positions....)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:30 PM  

  • So a few hours ago, I walked to the downtown area of where I reside and went to the regional office of John Hostettler (IN-8) today. It was closed until Monday. So I did some stuff downtown before talking back home. With cell phone in hand - and Hostettler's Washington office programmed in - I called his Washington office, where a gentleman knew about the vote (knowing what I was calling about after trying to remind him), but did not know off hand what Hostettler did, so he (the person I was on the phone with) told me he will get back with Hostettler when Hostettler got out of caucus (where he was at the time) and write me back.

    By Blogger Sarah Dillon, at 1:08 PM  

  • Gillmor, Paul - OH dist 5

    My sister recently called one of Gillmor's district offices and was told by the staffer there that he did not know the Congressman's vote, but took her address (and, at her insistance, her phone number) so as to respond. Therefore, I guess Gillmor qualifies as "letter writer."
    Larry Epke

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:38 AM  

  • Gresham Barrett, SC 3rd
    Called his South Carolina office on Friday and was told they would have to ask the Washington office. They said they would return my call but did not. Got in touch with the Washington office today and she took my address so they can respond. That puts Barrett in the letter writer category.

    By Blogger Lynne, at 12:30 PM  

  • Sam Graves, Missouri 6th District

    I was told Graves had voted for the measure, and that the measure merely "cleaned up a procedurual technicality." Yea, right.

    Jeanne Calkins,
    Kansas City, MO

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:08 PM  

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