Thursday, November 18, 2004

Votes on DeLay Rule

New, Improved Vote Count. Thanks to Wray Cummings. List last updated on 11/29/04 @ 12:07 p.m. EDT. Post any comments or corrections, and we will update periodically.

Update: I have had such good feedback on it, I have moved the reporting of how members voted to the easy-to-use webpage/database.

Tell Speaker Hastert to schedule a record vote on the DeLay Rule when the 109th Congress convenes.

Thanks to Josh Marshall, his readers, and others for updates. Keep them coming. The numbers next to the names are how much money they received from DeLay and his ARMPAC, courtesy of Campaign for America's Future.

Disclaimer: I have done my best to use multiple sources in compiling and categorizing what follows. If you are a Member of Congress, or work for one, and you are concerned about the accuracy of what is posted here, you are strongly encouraged to contact Speaker Hastert to ask for a recorded vote. It is that simple.

138 Comments:

  • LaHood is a Shays Handful and was quoted here

    http://www.columbiatribune.com/2004/Nov/20041118News015.asp

    By Blogger ArchPundit, at 8:38 PM  

  • Biggert started out saying it was private, is now saying she'll be writing a letter. Details here and here.

    By Blogger Rick Klau, at 11:53 PM  

  • Cool. Sometimes the Republican Connecticut Reps come through.

    By Blogger Dave Mooney, at 11:53 PM  

  • Tim Murphy(r), PA18.
    His office said they did not know his vote, because it was a caucus. But if I would give my name, number and address, they might let me know - This from my own rep!
    I call them the De-laylows. Vote to protect the crooked son of a bitch, then lay low.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:54 PM  

  • I called Bartlett's office today, and the person I talked to said they'd write me a letter (after some lengthy conversation trying to remind them what the vote was about; apparently it wasn't high on their priority list)

    By Blogger Just Jenny, at 11:59 PM  

  • As for Mike Simpson of Idaho: his office in DC said that they did not know how he voted but that he would send me a letter regarding the vote. Someday.

    By Blogger chimpathy, at 12:01 AM  

  • Also, if all this is partisan hackery, then a grand jury shouldn't indict Delay, right? Last I checked, a prosecutor can't just randomly indict people. You need an okay vote from a 12-member grand jury. So why the need for this, ah, preemptive strike?

    By Blogger Just Jenny, at 12:02 AM  

  • John Kline of Minnesota's 2nd district is LOUD AND PROUD.

    By Blogger Patrick, at 12:21 AM  

  • Many more at http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/18/11309/300

    Some Proud Yes: Peter King (NY-3)
    Jim Ryun (KS-2)
    Pete Sessions (TX-32)
    Dana Rohrabacher (CA-46)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:25 AM  

  • By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:27 AM  

  • I contacted Ron Paul's office (TX-14) today. According to Norman Singleton, Ron Paul voted for the rule change. I haven't seen a public acknowlegdement of that, however.

    By Blogger Jay2832, at 12:40 AM  

  • I called Greg Waldon's office today (Oregon's only GOP guy). At first the gal spoke only Sgt. Schultz'eze ("I know nothing"), then asked for my phone # to call me back, then recognized my Portland area code and coldly noted I was not a true constituent.

    I'm dead to her, Fredo.

    By Blogger Lisa, at 12:51 AM  

  • I called Ramstad (of Minnesota) today, and the person there said she didn't know, and would contact me. I left her my name and number. I will call back Friday and be more persistent.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:56 AM  

  • Don Manzullo's (IL, 16th) Washington office rep said he wasn't there for the vote but agreed with some of the changes.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:27 AM  

  • I'll give John Kline (MN 3) credit--at least he admitted the vote. (Won't give him credit for the vote--but hey, at least he's honest about being an idiot.)

    By Blogger Jeff Fecke, at 1:40 AM  

  • I see somebody pointed out my comment earlier on my blog. As I wrote there, I was given no answer, but from the comment the staffer volunteered ("this vote was just bringing us in line with the Democrats"), I would say it's a fair guess that Congressman Herger did indeed vote for the DeLay rule.

    I'll see if I can get my sister to get Doug Ose to comment one way or another, as she was once in his district and voted for him.

    -kat

    By Blogger katster, at 1:41 AM  

  • [FYI: You listed the Arkansas Rep under Arizona. It happens all the time. Arkansas = 'AR', Arizona = 'AZ']

    I'm in 2nd district Arkansas - if you have any friends/associates in the Fayetteville/Springdale/Rogers/Bentonville/WalmartLand metropolis (i.e. 4th district), please encourage them to call the local press. We love to vote against scandalous behavior around here.

    Thanks for the work!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:42 AM  

  • Can we also get a list of which current Congress members voted to institute the rule in 1993?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:40 AM  

  • I called Richar Burr's office yesterday. The woman said he wasn't there since he will be a Senator next year and it "won't affect him". Then she told me that N.C.'s 5th district congresswoman-elect would have been there and voted.

    She would? Really?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:24 AM  

  • I called my representative Illinois Republican Phil Crane. He's got a local number and a Washington number. The local number's lady said, after a long hold, that she did not know how he voted, but that the GOP caucus was a private session, so I was unable to actually find out the real results, but she'd imagine he voted FOR the delay bill.

    I called the Washington number and they took my name and number and promised to call me back with information.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:15 AM  

  • I am a constituent of Rep. Price of Ohio- called her office, an aide told me she did not vote on the issue because she is a committee chair. I did detect a hint of glee that the question was able to be so deftly avoided, but I understand that there would be a conflict of interest there.

    By Blogger Chance, at 8:27 AM  

  • Add Chris Chocola, IN, to the letter writing response. As a constituent, I called yesterday and asked. The response was to ask for my address but not my telephone number.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:37 AM  

  • My congressguy is Fred Upton of the MI-06. Called his office yesterday afternoon, and the staffer who answered claimed not to know how Upton voted. He did take my name/address, but didn't actually say that he'd write.

    Upton likes to crow that he was the first member of congress to call for Clinton's resignation, and among the first to call for Gary Condit's. It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:47 AM  

  • I called my rep yesterday, Curt Weldon, PA-7. First I called his office in the district, and they said they didn't know the answer, but would send me a letter. I then called his office in DC, and was told that the people in Weldon's own office didn't know how he had voted. He speculated that Weldon may have been out of the room when the vote was taken. The DC office also said they would send me a letter or call me back.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:56 AM  

  • Called Brown-Waite (r -FL5) and asked how she voted on the Tom Delay Protection Act. Both offices, DC and local, offered to call back when they had more info. Local office didn't get it at first. Will post when/if call is returned.

    By Blogger Vicki, at 9:16 AM  

  • A few minutes ago, I called Chris Chocola (Indiana-2) at his DC office. The woman who answered the phone was very polite. She told me they'd send me a written reponse, and she took my name and address. The woman I spoke to said I could expect to get something in the mail shortly. I'll come back and post once I get the letter. - Elizabeth

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:21 AM  

  • Called Rep. Petri's office yesterday (WI-6th). He voted for it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:22 AM  

  • I emailed Josh yesterday telling him I'd spoken at length to an aide in Mike Ferguson's (NJ-7) DC office, who told me Ferguson had voted for the DeLay rule. I'm not sure why Josh hasn't posted that information. (I'm in NJ, but not one of Ferguson's constituents, by the way; the aide didn't ask whether I was, but he was more than willing to tell me how Ferguson had voted.)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:23 AM  

  • In the local (Houston) TV coverage I saw of this, John Culberson was standing right behind DeLay and nodding his head in agreement as DeLay was at the mike justifying the DeLay Rule. If that ain't a sign he voted for it (and really, knowing Culberson, there's no way he wouldn't), I don't know what is.

    -- Charles Kuffner

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:34 AM  

  • I called Thaddeus McCotter's (R-MI) office about the DeLay rule yesterday. The person who answered told me that the vote was secret. When I pressed him on it, he told me to hold on -- that he'd find out. When he got back on the phone, he said there is no way to look it up because it was a voice vote. Thanks for your work on this issue, and many others.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:37 AM  

  • Called Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri. Said was no vote, then agreed was voice vote, then said information was private. So tally her up as a refuser, I guess. Bah.

    By Blogger Rich, at 9:41 AM  

  • I should add -- Emerson's intern or whoever I spoke to did not release any info, but did take my address and say they'd see if they could get me any info. I don't have my hopes up.

    By Blogger Rich, at 9:42 AM  

  • Steve Pearce, New Mexico CD2 is a Letter Writer

    ROGNM

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:59 AM  

  • I called Robert Aderholt's office (Alabama 4th District)
    and was told that he voted for DeLay..not surprising.

    Gayla
    www.coleforcongress.come

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:59 AM  

  • Good Morning- I just call John Shimkus' office (Illinois 19th district). They said he was not present at the vote.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:11 AM  

  • I called Joe Knollenberg's office this morning (R-MI). His assistant said it really wasn't a vote but she would find out more information and send me a letter.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:14 AM  

  • This from "Willy Lee" at Democratic Underground:

    John Shimkus' (IL 19th District) office- They said he was not present at the vote.

    By Blogger Rich, at 10:14 AM  

  • Add Roy Blunt of Missouri to the "Loud and Proud" list per this AP article excerpt:

    The language was proposed by Rep. Henry Bonilla, R-Texas, who was helped by the redistricting. Bonilla was re-elected in 2002 with less than 52 percent of the vote. After the boundaries were changed, he won this month with 69 percent of the vote.

    Jessica Boulanger, spokeswoman for third-ranking House Republican Roy Blunt of Missouri, confirmed the proposal and said Blunt supported it.

    By Blogger Rich, at 10:17 AM  

  • I've got some more results for the Texas members of the GOP caucus. I called this morning.

    Kay Granger's office refuses to say how she voted.

    Michael Burgess' office says he was giving a eulogy at the funeral of a friend that day.

    Ralph Hall's office refuses to say how he voted.

    Jeb Hensarling's office refuses to say how he voted.

    Pete Session's office refused to tell me, but I see on the update he has come out and admitted he voted for it.

    I'll post more as I get 'em, making more phone calls now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:24 AM  

  • So who sat out this vote? What leadership? I assume that includes Blunt and Hastert. This quote from The Hill today makes me wonder:

    GOP leaders remained silent during the debate, which was carried out by rank-and-file members, and DeLay himself did not vote on the rule change; instead, he stood at the back of the room, counseling members who asked his advice.

    "It was not leader-led, which is why it took two hours to do,' DeLay joked afterward.

    By Blogger Rich, at 10:29 AM  

  • From Roll Call today:

    Fueled by 35 pizzas, Members debated the merits of several proposals before approving the final compromise version by voice vote. A handful of lawmakers spoke out against the change, including Reps. Christopher Shays (Conn.), J.D. Hayworth (Ariz.), Mike Castle (Del.), Phil Gingrey (Ga.) and Tom Davis (Va.).

    So add Gingrey and Davis to the "NO" list. I think the others were already on it.

    By Blogger Rich, at 10:31 AM  

  • I'm an Anne Northup (KY-3) constituent and called yesterday. The lady answered the phone said that Anne supported Tom DeLay, so I pressed her on whether that included a vote to change the rules in order to protect him if indicted. The answer was an unqualified "yes."

    By Blogger Ogma, at 10:32 AM  

  • Chalk up Bill Thomas of California as a "Loud and Proud" (also from Roll Call today):

    Thomas was instrumental in developing the version that did pass. The Californian first proposed that an indicted leader or chairman should still be removed but that the Steering Committee would review that decision.

    By Blogger Rich, at 10:33 AM  

  • Ok I called the rest of the Texas members you are missing information on:

    Sam Johnson--letter-writer

    William "Mac" Thornberry--put me on hold for seventeen minutes. Was calling long distance and can't afford that. So I eventually hung up.

    Randy Neugebauer--staff said it was a private vote and asked me what media organization I was calling with. I told them none, I am just a citizen of Texas and wanted to know how he voted. I reminded her it was a voice vote and asked her again. He is refusing to say. Didn't offer to call back or send out a letter.

    Lamar Smith--refused to say.

    What are they so ashamed of?

    Oh and I am assuming DeLay voted for it. Ahem.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:42 AM  

  • My calll to Gutknecht's office yesterday landed him in the letter writer column. Our evening paper in Rochester, however, ran a headline, "Gutknecht opposes DeLay rule change." Read the article and you'll find he was not present for the vote, citing, "other commitments." The article also states that he was not opposed to the principle of the rule change, but to 'drawing attention' to an issue that was not certain to become an issue.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:45 AM  

  • I called Deborah Pyrce (OH-15) yesterday morning and was told first to "check the website" and then put on hold for five minutes before being told that there was "no vote" or that the "vote wasn't recorded" or ..."wait let me make sure I wrote this down correctly from the spinner down the hall." Basically, Pyrce won't tell voters from her district how she voted. It's a state secret. So if we take the Repubs. at their word--they mean what they say and say what they mean--we can only conclude that voters don't deserve to know about how elected officials vote on matters of national or local importance. Wonder what other kinds of secret votes are being held up there in DC.

    By Blogger Idle Crank, at 10:46 AM  

  • I want to amend my previous comment, as I just read that DeLay sat out the vote.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:47 AM  

  • Jennifer Dunn's office told me yesterday that she did not get a vote, since she's retiring and the caucus was for members of the 109th congress (that's 2005). Her staffer also said that the newly elected reps did get a vote. So, going by the current members list is wrong. OpenSecrets has a list of new members here (for both houses and both parties):

    http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/newmems.asp

    I built a spreadsheet yesterday with the consolidated list of 109th congress House GOP members, using TPM data for DeLay rule support.

    http://bumppo.net/DeLay_scorecard.xls

    I'd love confirmation on the issue of who's in the caucus. For what it's worth, the offices of both newly elected Washington GOP house members told me they didn't know how their candidate had voted; they did not deny that newly elected reps got the vote. I sent Marshall a note yesterday after he posted the 108th caucus list, and haven't heard back.

    By Blogger Nat Irons, at 10:47 AM  

  • Is it normal to hold a vote in which newly elected representatives vote, yet their session hasn't even started yet? I never thought that happened; isn't that odd?

    Or is it even true?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:49 AM  

  • I just put in a call to Rep. Sherrod Brown's office (Ohio - Dist. 13). They said they'll call me back. I kind of assume that this would be a no-brainer, since he's usually pretty good at standing up to the GOP side of the house...I'll leave an update when I hear back from them.

    By Blogger Mary, at 10:58 AM  

  • I called Marilyn Musgrave's office yesterday (CO-4) to see how she voted. Turns out she had returned to Colorado due to her brother's death, so did not vote at the caucus.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:21 AM  

  • Rob Portman (OH-2) likely voted for it. From The Hill:

    In that meeting, Bonilla and Brady met with Reps. Bill Thomas (R-Calif.), Rob Portman (R-Ohio), John Carter (R-Texas) and Trent Franks (R-Ariz.) while the other members discussed other measures on the table.

    --

    Everybody else in that list did, I can't imagine Portman didn't. He'd lick DeLay's boots if given the opportunity.

    By Blogger Rich, at 11:21 AM  

  • Porter Goss should be taken off the list - he's head of the CIA now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:23 AM  

  • News reports are speculating based on member comments that 30-50 members voted against the rule change. So we're getting there.

    By Blogger Rich, at 11:45 AM  

  • According to his office, Representative Chris Cannon (R-UT) was tending to a sick child the day of the vote. (It should be noted that Rep Cannon does actually have a child with cancer).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:54 AM  

  • i dont know if Rep. Boehlert's position that he will only answer the questions from letter writing consituents was at all supposed to encompass email questions, but he has not responded to my email request for his position.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:01 PM  

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    By Blogger take19, at 12:06 PM  

  • Bilirakis is a letter writer - I'm from his district and gave my name and address and phone number. I was told that the person in charge of the issue would get back to me. - Chris Forsha

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:13 PM  

  • How about Leonard Boswell, IA - 4?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:17 PM  

  • Colorado: According to Rocky Mountain News 11/19, Hefley voted against, Tancredo and Beauprez voted for, and Musgrave was not present. No mention of McGinnis.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:18 PM  

  • Didn't McGinnis retire? If so, it sounds like he would not have been present. Won't be in 109th Congress.

    By Blogger Rich, at 12:23 PM  

  • I've posted on this. Sam Graves' office admitted he voted for the DeLay rule.

    My post on this is here.

    By Blogger Tom, at 12:27 PM  

  • Here is what I heard in my round of Illinois calls yesterday.

    Weller - voted for change. Local office no help answer obtained via DC office. I asked if congressman has accepted any money from Delay PAC...couldn't answer....gave me number for compaign manager/Steve Shearer 703-623-1483 I left a voice mail. He called back! Gave party spin "Mr. Delay has been an affective leader....blah, blah, blah...couldn't/wouldn't answer.

    Manzullo - voted for change/aid tried to spin the partisan DA charge I dismissed his attempts with fact and asked if congressman has accepted any money from Delay PAC...refused to reply forwarded me to campaign office voicemail.

    Biggart-office would not comment
    Crane- office would not comment
    Hastart-office would not comment

    Hyde-Office would not comment but aid says he opposes the change
    Lahood-Office would not say but press quotes show him opposed-washington office refused to answer in any manner except via snailmail but local office gave me above info

    Johnson- abstained-no reason given
    Shimkus- abstained/aid says he was not in the meeting had work on another commitee at the time

    Kirk - Opposed

    By Blogger happenstance, at 12:30 PM  

  • I wrote this to Mr. Marshall yesterday, but he hasn't posted it yet:

    CLAY SHAW, Florida's 22nd District (Palm Beach and Broward counties, where voting *always* equals confusion) is one for the LETTER-WRITER column.

    By Blogger grant, at 12:37 PM  

  • I was told by Congressman John Peterson's office here in State College, PA that the congressman had a doctor's appointment that "could not be postponed." Therefore, he was noty present for the DeLay vote. Convenient!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:41 PM  

  • Tom Cole and Frank Lucas of Oklahoma both said they voted for the DeLay Rule to the Daily Oklahoman.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:43 PM  

  • Called Weldon's office around 12:30...

    they still said they didn't know if he was there, or if he was how he voted....

    they also said they got a lot of calls about it.

    Now, how much time does it take for people in Weldon's Washington office to call the congresscritter and ask him how he voted.

    And I told them NOT to send me a letter, that I didn't want tax dollars wasted on his explanations---and to be ready with an answer when I called back.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:50 PM  

  • MIKE TURNER - OH 3rd (Dayton)

    As a constituent, I called yesterday and the person to speak with was not at her desk. Today, I got her on the first try.

    First she said it was a private vote, but after I pointed out what a serious ethical issue this is she offered to have a letter sent.

    I'd call him a REFUSER, because in all likelihood he voted in favor of it. He's been a loyal GOPoodle.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:08 PM  

  • Good site--I followed the link from Talking Points Memo. I live in IA-2, Jim Leach's district. I had called his office yesterday morning. After IDing myself as a resident in his district, I asked how he voted, and the woman I was speaking with replied that it was a voice vote and she didn't know. I asked if their were *anyone* in the office who knew, and she said that she was his senior legislative asst (ID'd herself as Amy Butler) and *she* didn't know. She offered to send me a letter and took my name & address. But I read with interest in TPM that Leach, Nussle (a surprise, frankly) and Latham said they were in the SH. So Leach took himself out of the letter-writer group and into the SH probably because of calls from his district. (Johnson County, the most populous in his district went about 2-1 for Kerry.) After this election & the shift in the political spectrum he looks more like a liberal Repurplican than a moderate now.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:18 PM  

  • FYI --

    Musgrave (Bigot-CO) is listed as a YES but should be a NOT PRESENT by all accounts.

    By Blogger Rich, at 1:21 PM  

  • Let me suggest a few members to concentrate on:

    California - Dreier & Cunningham
    Minnesota - Kennedy
    New Jersey - Ferguson
    Nevada - Porter
    New York - Fossella and Reynolds
    Pennsylvania - Weldon

    They're all from areas that are trending towards Democrats and this year won re-election by small margins. It would be a good thing to have them on record now for how they feel about House ethics.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:25 PM  

  • I have contacted three major Cuban-American (and thus completely loyal) South Florida Republican Members of Congress. Here are my results:

    Ros-Lehtinen, Ileana -- Florida, Dist. 18
    My name and number were taken. I was told I would get an answer back.

    Diaz-Balart, Lincoln -- Florida, Dist. 21
    My name, number and address were taken down. I was given a rather vague expectation of a reply.

    Diaz-Balart, Mario -- Florida, Dist. 25
    My name and address were taken down. I was told to expect a response by mail. So I guess he should be listed as a "letter writer."

    --Robert

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:28 PM  

  • WA Report:
    -Dunn 8th retiring; not at vote.
    -Nethercutt 5th retiring; not at vote.
    -Hastings 4th, DC office not familiar with the "DeLay Rule" but are supposed to call back with the answer.

    New republicans for 5th & 8th districts/109th congress: Cathy Mcmorris & Dave Reichert; neither office knows but they are supposed to call back.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:35 PM  

  • KEEP IT UP FOLKS! Doing a great job so far. Remember we only have a few hours to go until their offices close for the weekend. KICK ASS!

    By Blogger Rich, at 1:47 PM  

  • Alright. Congressman Ose's (R-CA 3rd) office couldn't even tell me if he was there, let alone whether he voted for it. Congressman Doolittle (R-CA 4th) said that a vote is confidential, and asked me why I was calling.

    I can understand the confusion with Congressman Ose, as he resigned and Dan Lundgren won his seat, and from the sounds of it, it's the 109th caucus that could vote on it. I'm not sure how to get ahold of Lundgren, I'll see if I can figure that out.

    By Blogger katster, at 1:55 PM  

  • According to staffers at his Washington office, Jack Quinn (NY, District 27) didn't participate in the vote because only incoming members took part (he's leaving office).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:07 PM  

  • Huh. And now Congressman Herger's office promised to send me a letter after I called them a second time to see if they'd changed their mind on telling me.

    Is there a category for 'dazed and confused'?

    -kat

    By Blogger katster, at 2:14 PM  

  • Culberson(TX CD-7)'s office says yes, "I believe he did".

    (posted and emailed earlier in the day)

    PS, are the new members permitted to vote in the caucus?
    Because there are a few beneficiaries of the actions for
    which DeLay's being investigated. It would be interesting
    to know where they stand on the subject (eg, Ted Poe, TX 2)

    By Blogger Sarah Berel-Harrop, at 2:26 PM  

  • How convenient for Gutknecht in Minnesota. Gets to tell the local paper that he opposed the rule change, but then doesn't show up to actually vote. Nothing like playing it both ways, Congressman.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:06 PM  

  • Howard "Buck" McKeon's (CA-25) staff "hadn't been informed" about the Congressman's vote. They took my information (name, address & telephone #) and promised to get back to me. I won't be holding my breath.

    By Blogger Gina, at 3:15 PM  

  • I called Rep. Virgil Goode's local office (5th District) in Charlottesville, Va. Staffer said it he wasn't there for the vote.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:30 PM  

  • I am a New Jersey resident and called the office of Representative Mike Ferguson, New Jersey, District 7. A staffer told me that the Congressman voted YES on the rule change.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:45 PM  

  • Tom Feeney (Fla 24th) voted in favour of the rule according to the woman who answsered his office phone.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:47 PM  

  • A staffer in the office of Frank LoBiondo, New Jersey, claimed not to know how the Congressman voted, but took down my name and address and promised to "get the information to me." I assume that puts LoBiondo in the Letter Writer category.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:49 PM  

  • I spoke with someone at Congresswoman Brown-Waite's office in Florida and she read a prepared memo about how the DeLay Rule is a label the democrats cooked up and blah, blah, blah. After she was finished, she said she had no idea how the congresswoman voted. She took my info, then asked if I was for or against it and promised that Washington would get back in touch.

    Wonder what would have happened if I'd said I was for it???

    www.outinleftfield.com

    By Blogger Catherine Durkin Robinson, at 4:15 PM  

  • I just called Samuel Robert Johnson (TX, 3rd District). There's a press release at http://www.samjohnson.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=6225 but he will be sending me a letter with more information, too.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:36 PM  

  • I just called the office of Scott McInnis (CO). His staffer, locally, didn't even know what I was talking about and had no idea of how he voted. When I spoke to someone in his Washington DC office, I was told she had no idea, that the DeLay voting was for the "109th Congress" and they were "all done with the 108th." When I asked "but they are the ones who voted on this and they are there right now doing so, right?" She said yes. I said, "You mean there is NO one there who can tell me how he voted on the DeLay measure?" She said, "No, but I can take your name and address and someone will let you know."

    From the above lists, I am glad to see at least one Rep from CO joined Chris Shays!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:34 PM  

  • I just got off the phone with Mark Kennedy's office. The staffer there said that "there actually wasn't a vote." I told her I didn't believe they would have changed the rule without a vote, but she claimed she didn't know any more because it was a "closed meeting." I asked whether Kennedy was in favor of it or not, and she said she didn't know.

    I'll try again.

    I wrote Kennedy an email complaining about the DeLay rule change; he wrote back telling me he appreciated hearing from me! Thanks!

    I guess we have to add Mark Kennedy to the "No Vote" category.

    By Blogger Don, at 7:09 PM  

  • I don't think I'd dump Kennedy in the NO VOTE category just yet. Sounds like the staffer was either clueless or deceptive. Keep hammering.

    By Blogger Rich, at 7:12 PM  

  • Also, should keep in mind that Billy Tauzin of LA above probably didn't vote on this. He's retiring, and won't be in the 109th.

    By Blogger Rich, at 7:14 PM  

  • David, will you please fix that "refusfed" typo, in the category types? it's embarrassing. thx

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:32 PM  

  • Looked at the page a millions times without seeing the typo... thanks for catching it. -- DD

    By Blogger David Donnelly, at 7:40 PM  

  • For NC District 8, you have listed Robert Hayes as the Congressman when the correct name is Robin Hayes. My brother is a constituent and friend of Mr. Hayes, but because of the latter he refuses to inquire about Mr. Hayes' vote for me.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:56 PM  

  • Brown-Waite's DC office called back while I was at work - a legistlative aid named Pete - and left a message for me to call him back. Do you have a category for this one? I guess referring to this as the Tom Delay Protection Act ruffled a feather or got them confused. Will return Pete's call on Monday.

    By Blogger Vicki, at 8:01 PM  

  • Also still listed but probably didn't vote (since not in 109th):

    Vitter (LA) - going to Senate
    Burr (NC) - going to Senate
    DeMint (SC) - going to Senate
    Nick Smith (MI) - retired at end of 108th
    G. Nethercutt (WA) - lost Senate race
    P. Crane (IL) - lost reelection to House

    By Blogger Rich, at 8:21 PM  

  • AN ANSWER FROM JO ANN EMERSON! Via southeastmissourian.com

    Emerson voices opposition to rule change for DeLay

    House Majority Leader Tom DeLay would retain his leadership post even if indicted by a Texas prosecutor under a GOP rule change opposed by a minority of Republicans, including U.S. Rep. Jo Ann Emerson of Cape Girardeau.

    "I think that it sets a bad example," Emerson said today from Capitol Hill. "I just don't think that it passes the smell test."

    For more on this story, read Saturday's Southeast Missourian

    By Blogger Rich, at 8:29 PM  

  • I called the office of my congressman, curt weldon, and was told that during the vote, he was "hosting a group of children in the Capitol." I asked whether he supported the rule, and she replied with what I thought was "he supports striking rule 25." However, when I repeated this, she said "not necessarily," that there was language in addition to the indictment clause that she wasn't sure about. So it seems that he supports the rule (can't be sure though; she really did confuse me), but he definitely wasn't at the vote (or at least that's the word from his staff). Remember: "hosting a group of children at the Capitol."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:35 PM  

  • Guess I'll post it again, since it seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle.

    Ose (CA 3rd) - staffers couldn't even tell me he was there, he's retired. Dan Lungren won his seat, I couldn't find a way to get ahold of Lungren.

    Doolittle (CA 4th) - staffers told me point blank that the vote was confidential, and then asked why I wanted to know.

    -kat

    By Blogger katster, at 8:37 PM  

  • Someone above wrote: "Manzullo - voted for change/aid tried to spin the partisan DA charge I dismissed his attempts with fact and asked if congressman has accepted any money from Delay PAC...refused to reply forwarded me to campaign office voicemail."

    How very odd! His aide/guy who answers the phone STEVE told me in a very authoritative manner when I called that Manzullo wasn't there for the vote. I repeated what he said back to him, and he confirmed it. Either Steve is 'out of the Manzullo loop,' or Manzullo's memory about his actions and whereabouts that day is a little malleable.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:57 PM  

  • Bob Novak reporting Rob Portman (R-OH) came up wiht compromise DeLay Rule. So odds are he was for it -- so long as leadership got to vote. I'm still unsure on that point.

    http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20041120.shtml

    By Blogger Rich, at 12:24 AM  

  • ARMPAC is another Delay controlled PAC

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.asp?strID=C00292946&Cycle=2004

    here is how the members voted, as of last night (note, a lot of recipients of ARMPAC money were losing candidates)

    Rogers, Mike AL $10,000 UNK
    Franks, Trent AZ $10,000 Delay
    Kolbe, Jim AZ $5,000 Letter
    Renzi, Rick AZ $15,000 UNK
    Rohrabacher, Dana CA $5,000 Delay
    Beauprez, Bob CO $10,000 Delay
    Musgrave, Marilyn CO $5,000 MIA
    Simmons, Rob CT $10,000 Shay
    Harris, Katherine FL $5,000 UNK
    Shaw, E Clay Jr FL $10,000 UNK
    Burns, Max GA $10,000 UNK
    Gingrey, Phil GA $15,000 Shay
    King, Steven A IA $5,000 Letter
    Latham, Tom IA $10,000 Shay
    Nussle, Jim IA $10,000 Shay
    Crane, Phil IL $10,000 UNK
    Johnson, Timothy V IL $10,000 MIA
    Chocola, Chris IN $10,000 UNK
    Sodrel, Michael E IN $10,000 UNK
    Ryun, Jim KS $10,000 Delay
    Northup, Anne M KY $10,000 Delay
    Tauzin, Billy III LA $5,000 UNK
    Bartlett, Roscoe G MD $10,000 Letter
    Gilchrest, Wayne T MD $5,000 UNK
    McCotter, Thad MI $10,000 private
    Miller, Candice S MI $5,000 UNK
    Kennedy, Mark MN $10,000 UNK
    Kline, John MN $10,000 Delay
    Akin, Todd MO $5,000 UNK
    Graves, Sam MO $10,000 Delay
    Hayes, Robin NC $10,000 UNK
    Terry, Lee NE $0 MIA
    Bradley, Jeb NH $10,000 Shay
    Ferguson, Mike NJ $10,000 Delay
    Garrett, Scott NJ $5,000 Letter
    Pearce, Steve NM $10,000 Letter
    Wilson, Heather NM $10,000 Shay
    Gibbons, Jim NV $2,000 UNK
    Porter, Jon NV $10,000 UNK
    Boehlert, Sherwood NY $5,000 MIA
    Turner, Michael R OH $10,000 UNK
    Cole, Tom OK $10,000 Delay
    Gerlach, Jim PA $10,000 private
    Shuster, Bill PA $10,000 UNK
    Blackburn, Marsha TN ($5,000) UNK
    Brady, Kevin TX $10,000 Delay
    Burgess, Michael TX $10,000 MIA
    Carter, John TX $10,000 Delay
    Hall, Ralph M TX $10,000 private
    Hensarling, Jeb TX $10,000 private
    Neugebauer, Randy TX $15,000 private
    Sessions, Pete TX $10,000 Delay
    Cannon, Chris UT $5,000 MIA
    Forbes, J Randy VA $10,000 private
    Green, Mark WI $2,000 UNK
    Capito, Shelley Moore WV $10,000 Letter
    Cubin, Barbara WY $5,000 UNK

    paul lukasiak
    The AWOL Project
    www.glcq.com

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:44 AM  

  • even more fun is to look at the votes of those who got money from Halliburton

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.asp?strID=C00035691&Cycle=2004

    Barton, Joe (R-TX) $3,000 delay
    Beauprez, Bob (R-CO) $0 delay
    Bonilla, Henry (R-TX) $1,000 delay
    Brady, Kevin (R-TX) $2,000 delay
    Cole, Tom (R-OK) $2,000 Delay
    Culberson, John (R-TX) $1,000 delay
    Hastert, Dennis (R-IL) $4,000 delay
    Lucas, Frank D (R-OK) $1,000 delay
    Manzullo, Don (R-IL) $1,000 delay
    Northup, Anne M (R-KY) $1,000 delay
    Petri, Tom (R-WI) $1,000 delay
    Sessions, Pete (R-TX) $2,000 delay
    Smith, Lamar (R-TX) $1,000 delay
    Thomas, Bill (R-CA) $3,000 delay
    Young, Don (R-AK) $10,000 delay
    English, Phil (R-PA) $1,000 Letter
    Johnson, Sam (R-TX) $1,000 Letter
    Kolbe, Jim (R-AZ) $2,000 Letter
    Pearce, Steve (R-NM) $3,000 Letter
    Saxton, Jim (R-NJ) $0 letter
    Sensenbrenner, F James Jr (R-WI) $2,000 letter
    McHugh, John M (R-NY) $0 MIA
    Pombo, Richard (R-CA) $1,000 MIA
    Taylor, Charles H (R-NC) $2,000 MIA
    Cox, Christopher (R-CA) $1,000 private
    Granger, Kay (R-TX) $1,000 Private
    Hall, Ralph M (R-TX) $2,000 private
    Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) $500 private
    Hunter, Duncan (R-CA) $0 private
    Rehberg, Denny (R-MT) $1,000 private
    Castle, Michael N (R-DE) $1,000 Shay
    Davis, Tom (R-VA) $4,000 shays
    Ryan, Paul (R-WI) $500 shays
    Shays, Christopher (R-CT) $0 shays
    Wilson, Heather (R-NM) $3,000 shays
    Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN) $1,000 unk
    Burns, Max (R-GA) $2,000 UNK
    Camp, Dave (R-MI) $1,000 UNK
    Crane, Phil (R-IL) $3,000 UNK
    Cubin, Barbara (R-WY) $1,000 UNK
    DeLay, Tom (R-TX) $5,000 UNK
    Dreier, David (R-CA) $1,000 UNK
    Dunn, Jennifer (R-WA) $2,000 UNK
    Goodlatte, Bob (R-VA) $3,500 UNK
    Hobson, Dave (R-OH) $2,000 UNK
    Hoekstra, Peter (R-MI) $1,000 UNK
    Hyde, Henry J (R-IL) $1,000 UNK
    Istook, Ernest J (R-OK) $1,000 UNK
    Lewis, Jerry (R-CA) $2,000 UNK
    McCrery, Jim (R-LA) $1,000 UNK
    Norwood, Charles W (R-GA) $1,000 UNK
    Oxley, Michael G (R-OH) $1,000 UNK
    Pickering, Charles "Chip" Jr (R-MS) $1,000 UNK
    Renzi, Rick (R-AZ) $0 UNK
    Shaw, E Clay Jr (R-FL) $1,000 UNK
    Sullivan, John (R-OK) $1,000 UNK
    Sweeney, John E (R-NY) $1,000 UNK
    Tauzin, Billy (R-LA) $2,000 UNK
    Wicker, Roger (R-MS) $1,000 UNK

    paul lukasiak
    The AWOL Project

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:03 AM  

  • Update on Jo Ann Emerson of Missouri. She was out of the room when the vote was taken:

    http://semissourian.com/story.html$rec=150645

    "We debated that for three hours at least," Emerson said. The caucus was attended by more than 250 GOP lawmakers.

    Emerson was out of the room when the vote was taken. The Southeast Missouri congresswoman said several lawmakers were out of the room when the party leadership suddenly called for a voice vote on the issue.

    By Blogger Rich, at 9:45 AM  

  • I haven't heard directly, but the local newspaper reports that David Hobson (R-Ohio, 7th district) does not comment on matters before the Ethics Committee.

    A very handy position to have, since he once sat on that committee when it handled Newt Gingrich's offenses.

    By Blogger Jon Koppenhoefer, at 1:28 AM  

  • I contacted my representative, Duke Cunningham (CA-50th) local office to inquire as to how he voted (as of I didn’t know how this right-wing Republican would vote on the DeLay Rule).

    The staffer who answered had no idea what I was asking about, and had to ask someone else in the office. “He supported the leader,” was the response.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:28 AM  

  • good for ramstad - he's a standup guy.

    i called kennedy's office on friday - his staffers squirmed and said they didn't know what the vote was.. and that it wasn't a "recorded" vote so no one knew...

    f*ck mark kennedy - scumbag just like delay.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:43 AM  

  • Several names have dollar amounts next to them of $20; at least one has "$14". What's the deal? Are these numbers thousands? Most have $15,000 or so... did DeLay give some congressmen in the tens of thousands and others pocket change?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:32 AM  

  • Are new members allowed to vote without being sworn in? Aren't they sworn in on Jan. 3rd?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:06 AM  

  • I called David Dreier's Washington office. Staff member said that Dreier would respond in writing. The staff member seemed relieved not to be getting asked about "another topic" (see below).

    Dreier has had a free ride til now, getting re-elected again and again in districts with extremely low voter turn-out and virtually no press coverage. He has had to spend virtually no time in-district and has brought neglible pork belly home, concentrating instead on a roll in the caucus leadership. His CNN appearances with Charlie Rangel have created the impression of an amiable, inoffensive veteran MOC. To locals, he suggests an old-fashioned Calfornian progressive republican, which shows that his actual record has received little attention.

    This time out, though, he has had some trouble with press (although not press in his own district) attention on the question of his sexuality and a possible contradiction between his sexuality and his voting record. As a result, he squeezed out his worst performance to date, and that against an self-out-ed, liberal Democrat. If the Democrats get a moderate nominated and invest a bit, focusing on issues speaking to a post-industrial working class, this district is winable.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:07 AM  

  • Jim Demint, SC voted for the Delay rule according to his staff. I called when Josh started his coverage and they were proud but SC is tomato red.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:31 AM  

  • re: Bob Goodlatte, Va. 6th
    2 different phone calls, eachto Washington office. 1 by my son and 1 by me got the " I don't know but we will send you a letter." Both of us felt that the staffer was nervous and following a script or planned answer.
    Both offers declined. Both my son and I questioned the fact that the staffer did not know and questioned why we could not simply be told. I said, " Since ytou do not know just ask and I will call back Monday"

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 AM  

  • There is an anonymous report above that a phone call to the office of Thaddeus McCotter (R-MI, 11th) yielded the "private vote" response.

    I emailed the office earlier this week requesting that Rep. McCotter go on the record regarding his vote; despite properly identifying myself as a constituent, I have not yet received the courtesy of a reply.

    By Blogger W.P. Fleischmann, at 10:50 AM  

  • I called and spoke with a gentleman at the office of Greg Walden (R-OR) who stated the congressman DID vote for the rule change. He would not offer any reason.

    By Blogger smarsman, at 11:01 AM  

  • Perhaps you should put the "Waiting To Hear" totals in the summary at top, too.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:52 AM  

  • Todd Russell Platts of Pennsulvania - office reported on Friday that he voted against the Delay Rule. It appears he is one of Shays Handful.

    By Blogger MJ, at 12:06 PM  

  • The Washington Post reported today that Tom Davis was not in the room when the vote was taken. He should be moved from the Shays list.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:08 PM  

  • I could not find the link for the WaPo story referenced above. Can someone post it? Thanks -- DD

    By Blogger David Donnelly, at 6:23 PM  

  • I called Ralph Regula (R-OH) on Friday to ask if he voted for the amendment, and his staffer very forthrightly stated that he had.

    I haven't seen public confirmation anywhere, though.

    -A reader in OH

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:34 PM  

  • John Linder's (GA) office told me they would send a letter in two weeks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:16 PM  

  • The link is here:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A913-2004Nov20.html

    Davis spoke out against it, but was not in the room when the vote was taken. You might want to create a separate category for this. Thanks for keeping the tally.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:55 AM  

  • I just called David Vitter's office in Washington & spoke to an aide. I told him I was a constituent of Rep. Vitter's & asked him how Vitter voted on the DeLay rule change. "I couldn't tell you because he didn't relay that information to the office", is what I was told. "Why not?" I asked. Again: "I really couldn't tell you." His arrogant, exasperated tone moved me to say, "I don't blame him for keeping it quiet."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:12 PM  

  • I just called my rep, John Sweeney (20th NY), to see how he voted, and his aide didn't know. She took my name and address and asked me how I hoped he'd voted, and said she'd pass it on.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:39 PM  

  • From Congressman Todd Akin, 2nd District MO. Sounds like Akin went with DeLay....

    "There has been a great deal of mis-information concerning an internal rule change within the Republican Conference of the United States House of Representatives. Allow me to explain exactly what the new rule, Rule 25, does.

    First, the new rule strengthens Conference Rules regarding convictions. If a Chairman or member of the House Republican leadership is convicted of a felony he or she is removed immediately from that role. Current GOP rules do not require a Chairman or leader to step aside if convicted.

    Second, the new rule adds accountability. Members of Congress have been elected to exercise their judgment - not to allow some system to supplant that judgment. The new rule forces members of the Republican Steering Committee (which determines Committee assignments) to stand and be counted. They must review the charges, take action and defend their decisions all within 30 days of indictment. If the Steering Committee finds that the charges have merit, all Republican Members of the House could be called upon to stand and be counted.

    Finally, the new rule protects the work of the House of Representatives from manipulation, disruption and intimidation. The old rule could be used by partisan or self-serving District Attorneys to threaten
    or disrupt Chairmen or leaders as they perform their duties. By simply bringing an indictment in any court, a local political operative could effectively remove a leader of the United States Congress at a key or sensitive time.

    "Innocent until proven guilty" is the hallmark of the American justice system. An indictment is just an accusation. It would be unfair for a duly elected Member of Congress to lose his or her ability to
    represent their constituents simply because of an accusation of wrong-doing without any review to determine if the accusation has merit."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:10 PM  

  • Congressman Todd Akin of Missouri is now confirming that he voted for the DeLay Rule.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:31 PM  

  • I talked to a staffer in Greg Walden (OR)'s office this morning--contrary to the other report here, the female staffer "Valerie" claimed he was out of the room when the vote happened, but would have voted yes based on the principle of "innocent until proven guilty."

    By Blogger Torrid, at 4:42 PM  

  • We checked with Tenn. 7 Marcia Blackburn's office. She is proud to support Tom DeLay. She thinks that the prosecution is politically motivated. We are sending a letter asking if he is guilty, why would political motivation matter.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:06 PM  

  • I just e-mailed Everett (AL-2).

    I'll post his response when I get it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:14 PM  

  • Email to Ros-Lehtinen(FL) sent on Nov. 19 (see http://www.discourse.net/archives/2004/11/how_did_gop_representatives_vote_on_the_delay_rule.html)did not get a reply so I phoned this afternoon. Seems Ros-Lehtinen is a letter-writer, so we'll just have to wait, probably until after Thanksgiving.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:48 PM  

  • I just spoke with the office of Rick Renzi (Ariz.-1). His staffer said Renzi did not attend because this was a meeting of the GOP "conference," not the "caucus." Renzi and 68 other Republicans are not members of the conference, the aide told me.

    Is this true?

    Neverthelss, Renzi supports the change in the rule in order to give members "due process." Renzi is a recipient of $20,000 from ARMPAC.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:59 PM  

  • John Sweeney's office is finally (as of this morning) saying that he voted yes on the DeLay Rule. I called them again this morning after trying to get an answer since last Friday.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:14 PM  

  • Thaddeus McCotter (Michigan 11th Congressional District)
    Called his Washington office this afternoon and was told by staffer that McCotter voted for the DeLay rule. All the fuss is being created by politically motivated Texas DA. Oh my!
    Use my name, Al Churchill, instead of Anon.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:04 PM  

  • Let me pass along to you what I found out about my representatives here in Maryland.

    Last week I called both Republican house members from my state. Wayne Gilchrest (Kennedyville/Eastern shore) voted for the rule, and his staffers readily told me so, albeit with a admonition that they "didn't know the language" of the resolution and it "wasn't public yet." Total BS, but at least they told me his vote. Roscoe Bartlett (Frederick/northwest) was another story. First his staffers said they didn't know, then they said I should go ask my local representative, Al Wynn, a Democrat. When I protested that this was ridiculous, they said they'd find out Bartlett's vote and get back to me.

    They never did, so today I called again. I spoke to a staffer named Fay. She gave me the same runaround: she didn't know, or I should ask Wynn, or she'd have to get back to me. I refused to be shoved off in this way, and asked why it was so hard to tell me a simple yes or no, and told her that Gilchrest's office had given me an answer right away. I think that did it. She admitted that Bartlett had not, in fact, voted on the resolution at all - he "wasn't able" to vote, and he "wasn't notified" that the vote would be held, so he didn't attend. Well, there's his answer. Pretty creative, huh? I thanked her, and that was that.

    Keep up the good work

    -Jared Hertzberg
    Hyattsville MD

    By Blogger J. Hertzberg, at 10:00 AM  

  • I called Buck McKeon's office and they said that it was a private vote and they could not disclose how he voted. I would count him as a "refused". Kathy C from Valencia, CA 91355

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:43 PM  

  • I just reviewed the database of votes and noted the "?" for Manzullo of IL 16. The info that his local staffer gave was that he was too busy with a committee hearing on the Transportation bill to attend the Delay session. This seems to conflict with some of the information above. Obviously I'd like to know the truth.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:13 PM  

  • I got my letter from Congressman Herger (CA-2) today. As I suspected, he voted for the DeLay rule.

    -kat

    By Blogger katster, at 6:50 PM  

  • I received my letter from Mark Green of Wisconsin. He voted for the DeLay rule. The letter reads as follows:

    "Thanks for contacting me about the recent House Republican Conference vote to change the rule providing for the removal of leaders under indictment. I'm glad you took the time to get in touch with me, and appreciate the chance to respond.

    First, a lot of misconceptions have surfaced surrounding this rule change, and I think it's important to set the facts straight. One, this was an internal party vote that only affects members of the House Republican Conference. It was not a part of the official proceedings of the U.S. House of Representatives, and did not come to the House floor for a vote. Two, no member of the House Republican leadership has actually been indicted. This matter was taken up to clarify existing conference rules governing the removal of party leaders if charges are brought against them.

    Second, I strongly opposed the original version of the rule change that would have allowed House GOP leaders to simply keep their leadership posts while being indicted.

    After much debate, a compromise rule change was brought forward that the conference approved by a voice vote. Under this plan, the existing Conference Steering Committee would examine any charge filed against a leadership member, and make a formal recommendation as to whether the charge has merit or is merely frivolous. Then, considering the Steering Committee's recommendation, the full conference is directed to formally vote on whether the member should remain in leadership.

    I was willing to accept this compromise as a sensible step in clarifying conference rules - especially because it calls for a clear vote on removal in which members must stand up and be counted. The new rule continues to allow for the removal of members from leadership while still providing an avenue through which unfounded or politically motivated charges can be weeded out.

    It's also worth noting that the Democratic Caucus, unlike the Republican Conference, has no rule at all providing for the removal of their leaders under the same circumstances. The Republicans have taken, and continue to take, a much tougher stance. Rest assured, I'll continue doing everything I can to make sure the Republican Party is one of accountability and clean government."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:27 PM  

  • December 28, 2004

    Thank you for contacting me regarding...

    In 1993, House Republicans instituted a rule that would require leaders to step down if charged with a felony...

    For your information, I voted to alter this rule. Let me be clear: [blah blah weak rationalizations...]

    Sincerely,
    John Linder
    [Georgia 7th district]

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:26 PM  

  • This is way late, but today, 4/28/05, Congressman Hunter said on KLSD radio that he supported the vote and strongly defended it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:08 PM  

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